Six, you can debate offense but SN has the better defense hands down. I've personally lost more defensive troops defending others than most alliances ever have. More than 100K of crops per hour were lost by the attackers at KLMN's villages just a month ago. I was only using about 1/3 of my total defense, since the rest was at the wonder village at the time. There's no way anyone from SC could have made those defensive stands. It requires massive amounts of druids and level 20 tournament squares to move them between villages quickly. I'm pretty sure I've had the largest defense on the server for most of the server now.

It would be hard to say who would win in a war between all of us. It would be long and bloody. It would come down to whomever was most active seeing the close proximity of everyone's villages you could lose a lot of pop which in close counters war means your ability to quickly react. SN have probably the most skill in attacking but they also take the longest in doing so. SL seems to be the people who just say screw it and start throwing punches, element of surprise. Where as this lacks in making critical hits, it can cause a large widespread amount of damage, again crippling people's ability to rebuild. Then there are people like Tyr who have more defense troops than all of the squigglies combined. If he's active enough and everyone effectively communicated where they needed defense he alone could turn the tides of a battle. Now if there were spies in each group, which there would be due to sitters and personal ties amongst the alliances that would greatly upset the side of power. SN's amazing striking ability would be neutralized if the people defending knew exactly where to defend. Also you would know which cities were undefended and could systematically cut apart players, as was seen with the SHK/Omen war. Basically I think we've proven the S*, East and Beserk meta is something you don't want to mess with. I think SN and East are most alike and Beserk is like a mixture of SN and SL. Personally I don't know much about SC, which makes them a bit of a wild card to me.

I put my bet on SL cause we have the most fun, and that determines the real "winners".

I would lose in this war cause my activity more than sucks right now. By the time I get wireless set up the server will probably restart. I'll keep sending those resources though!

Non-biased view. I know the numbers that Six has for defensive troops, I know the numbers that Las has, and I know the numbers that Tyr has.

ALL three are bloody impressive and mind boggling. Each produces more defense than the majority of alliances on the server produces total defense.

With that said...Tyr troop counts are greater than what Six and I hit in Maggie's Mommies ww village. He has the most troops and the most mixed calvary mixed with his infantry.

I am NOT trying to take anything away from the these three players (three of the most defensive players on the server, that I know of). But Tyr's defensive army hurts my brain...like, seriously hurts my friggin brain man.

Now, for my e-penis. Peace, you guys wildly swinging at us? As Jopa likes to say we HAVE more villages than the lot of you. So we can afford to laugh our asses off at you blind nut seeking squirrels as you crash into our villages to meet zero resistance. During that time, we'll be taking over that pretty 15c you have to feed our 70/100k offensive armies

Thanks so much

I was actually kind of surprised when I saw the defense at Maggies Mommy's wonder village and realized that I personally had more defense than she had in her wonder village. I won't complain, since it was good for us. Since we're talking about defensive powerhouses, we should include Daisey on the list. She has a ton of defensive infantry too.

Since we're boasting: I think Danmac deserves his props. He's the best and most persistent attacker I've seen in any of the servers I've played. His activity level is awesome. The former leader of W.E. SW, before the war, told me that many members were discouraged and felt they were Danmac's personal farm alliance. W.E. hates him -- with good reason. He has almost singlehandedly destroyed W.E. SW (though I give myself props for helping with Evilnilla).

Let's face it, all of our really active players are really good. We all have experience. We all work well together as a group. Omen couldn't take us. Omen and TF together couldn't take us. Peace is right -- it would indeed be a very long and bloody war. Everyone here has done some awesome things in their locales. We should be proud that we have the highly awesome players we do scattered through all our wings.

Tyr is far more diplomatic than I am.

You guys are all cool, but stop trying to confuse us with your troop counts and logic.

SL would dominate.

SO! this is what happens to the brain when you stick you head up your ASS.

SL would lose because I'm in it. SC would lose because Aquiman (or are you in SN..... NO ONE CARES WHICH ONE YOUR IN!) would be chassing AlmostFamous. and SN would lose because GOD said so. LOL But then again ....

i have heard the stories and seen the battle reports, but never our armies, for obvious reasons. at the end of the server id like to see all these troop numbers. make me shit my pants please. i say when the server ends, someone should start a thread similar to the hero e-penis thread, only this time with offensive/defensive armies (though, i have an idea who the winners might be, but winning isnt really the point, it would be more of a show and tell than a contest).

It really depends on where we were. If it was after SN became established (but before Saxman went over to it), SC would win, for at that time we were the top of the 3. The reason we are weak now is because most of our best players went to fill in SN and replace SL's who left. Then We were the first to get hit by TF as well. If it was how the alliances are now, but with everyone with there hammers not wasted on TF, it would he hard to say.

How things could turn out -

Scenario 1, which is the more likely
SN and SL will exsaust themselves in the war Effort, and SC would mop up and take the win.
This is because SN and SL right now seem to be the top, they would try to eliminate eachother first, leaving weak SC down. But SC does have strong players, mind you, and would most likely not be touched. Why would a strong SN or SL waste a hammer against SC when they could take out a tougher target? Well, taking out that target costs a hammer, and hammers are hard to refill. After that hammer and that strong player are both dead, an SC hammer will take out the surviver.

Remember, We are the original. We brought you into this world, we could easily take you out.

Scenario 2,
SN and SL will gang up on SC because they are evil bastards and take out us in fear of Scenario 1.

Scenario 3,
SL will destroy SN, assuming East and Berserk aren't around to help them. Then SL will merge with SC, creating an entirely new alliance.

Scenario 4,
Natars kicks everyones ass.


EDIT:
Just like Muri, I want to see these numbers after we win.
And just as a little proof that SC would have some bone in the fight, I just took a picture of my hammer.



What am I, 5000 population? Thats all my offense at home, together, from one village. This all goes nicely with a 20 tournament and about 5000 praetorians and 5000 leggioneres defending all throught my other 6 villages (I have 9, but 2 of them are, crap.) Us here at Sc are fighters, know that

Spies? Honestly, I don't care. Let the spies see it, I'm just going to suicide them anyways. The point of a Suicide is to lose your troops, no? fake picture though I do have 5000 praetorians and 5000 leggioneres at my home. I am going to send them to the wonder once I get some crop

SC kicks everyones ass But I do want to see some REAL hammers! I mean, you really high leveled people out there must be laughing at my attempt to show off. Two things I really want to see are the defense in our Wonders and Tyr, Danmac and Saxmans armies.

We'll share the armies once we hit L100. Lots of good reports to see!

Well Frankoman, your hammer is bigger than mine. Upon review, I think I was mostly a sim player who just liked hanging out with all you big dogs!

When I defended Danmac, I had 24K of druids and 10K of haeduans. I didn't have many phalanx. At my height, when I defended KLMN, I had 30K of druids, 5K of defensive haeduan. Excluding the phalanx count. My offense has never been that impressive -- my height was 18K swords, 6K haeduan. Then evilnilla happened, and I got back up to 10K swords, and suicided the remnants recently.

I just cleared 6k pop and I'd say my army is pretty big for my size. People on IRC know what it is and I'll say after its dead or the round ends here but take into account I've probably lost about 17-19k swords and about 2-3k haedudans and then I guess about 400 rams throughout the round already although I've lost very few catapults (my clear always clears it but sometimes they got a lot more reinforced than I expected and I lose a huge chunk of my clear).

If only population bonus affected offensive too :smith:

I had to move this weekend so I couldn't enjoy this thread, and Jopa/Rocks sad attempt at logic =(

I will say, if you are considering pop/troop count, SL or SC would be very well matched against SN.

But we aren't, were talking war, and our players are bigger, badder, and more experienced. Plus, we have saxman's brain on our side, and no one can defeat the brain!

We've also got the defense to defend every single one of the brains villages and wipe any clear you got! I don't even build walls in my villages, just the aura from Tyr makes them impenetrable. Saxman would be around til the end scheming your demise Jopa, just like poor §